For those of you that don't know of her, Svali used to be a programmer and trainer in the cult of the Illuminati. She was very high up in the system & is considered one of the major exposers of what I am now calling the Shadow Group. Both she and her entire family were involved in the cult group until several years ago, when she finally broke free. She has been a consultant to an on-line survivors group that helps people dealing with issues related to cult programming and ritual abuse.
Svali, a writer and a registered nurse, has self-published a book on breaking free of cult programming, which several experts in the field have said has "invaluable information" for the survivor of ritual abuse.
Her articles are published online at:
http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/ritual_abuse.Even though she is still meant to be alive, she has suddenly disappeared without a trace, but not before answering a few questions that were put to her!!
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Q: Can the Illuminati’s family trees be traced back to specific towns in Europe?
A: Yes, and this depends on the branch. There is the German branch, the French branch, the UK branch, and the Russian branch. Each has roots in different areas of Europe. The towns of central Germany and Austria were the beginning for the German branch. They trace their roots from the Knights Templar who united the European nations during the crusades.
Q: Do they consider the Christian God real, but a liar?
A: The Illuminati believe in the deification of men through knowledge. They know that there are supernatural beings who help them in this process, but they don’t necessarily divide things into “good and bad”, rather “enlightened” or “unenlightened”. They believe that the Christian God is real, but that adherents of Christianity are one step short of enlightenment, that they do not know the “full picture” as they do. They see Christians as sheep who follow a nice story created to help them feel better, because they are “too weak” to want to know the “full truth”. (This is what an illuminist would say in describing the difference). They tend to be cynical towards the Christian God, to see him as a placebo for the weak.
Q: Do they consider their own god a liar, even if for “good”? If so, how do they trust their god?
A: They do not consider their gods (they have several) as liars. These “gods” have given them power, wealth, status, and everything that they have asked for. Yes, at a price, a horrible price, but they believe that nothing comes cheaply, and the higher the price they have paid, the more they value the gift. It is hard to explain this type to thinking to someone outside the group, because mainstream society wants to see them as evil satanists, and opposed to Christianity. They themselves wouldn’t put it quite that way. Oh, they will mock and downgrade Christianity, but only because they want its followers to see that they are the ‘deceived ones”. The god of this world has truly blinded their eyes. Do they “trust” their gods? As much as they trust anything. Remember, trust is not a concept in this group, where “betrayal is the greatest good” is a maxim taught since childhood. If you asked them, do you”trust” your deity, they would look puzzled, and say, “only a foolish person trusts what they cannot know” or some other maxim.
Q: Do they consider the Christian God to be a God of naive love?
A: Yes, yes, very naive, and setting His followers up for a fall. This is the extent of their arrogance.
Q: If they use torture and terror on those they love who are of lower rank, how do they distinguish between love and hate?
A: They don’t. They tell their children as they are torturing them, “I am doing this because I love you.” To them, the greatest love is to make a child strong, and fit to lead or to move higher in the group, by whatever means it takes.
If a leader sees a child, and wants it as a prostitute, the loving parents will give it away, happy that their child will rise in status. Also, again, they view betrayal as the greatest good. They will do set up after set up to teach their children to never openly trust others.
I remember hundreds of agonizing set ups and betrayals, and hearing when I was betrayed or wounded, “And such is the heart of man.” Those doing this to me thought they were teaching me something of value, that would help me. And because of the vicious and political nature of the group, in one sense they were right; the naive get stepped on and wounded. I have known parents who tried to spare their children some of this out of love, but often they were overuled by other family members, who viewed these parents as “weak” and “unfit” to teach their child.
Q: Can you list their religious beliefs in some detail? e.g. re-incarnation? Heaven and hell? Sin? Absolution? Elves?
A: Which part? Spiritual has many branches, including: celtic druidism, rosicrucianism, Babylonian mystery religion, Egyptian mysteries, and traveling the planes. A child will have to learn each of these disciplines, and others, as part of their training. They also have theta, or psychic training, as well.
The Illuminati have taken the best (or worst) of each of these religions, and incorporated them. Also, there is NOT just ONE religion that every group follows. In Washington DC, my main trainers were celtic druids and adherents of babylonian mystery religion. In San Diego,the Egyptian mystery religion is emphasized, in part because Col. Aquinos oversees that group, and is heavily into Temple of Set.
Here is a brief overview, doing my best to incorporate these beliefs. They believe that reincarnation is possible, because of the time travel that they do, but they don’t emphasize it in their teachings. They believe in a final sphere of white light, which to them is total enlightenment, and their concept of heaven. They believe that they are immune from hell, which is for the unenlightened. Their concept of hell is different than the Bible’s; they believe that it means being lower and never reaching higher in the afterlife (they believe there are levels there, too, determined by how one progresses here on earth).
To them, sin is being weak or stupid, and not using the intelligence or abilities you were given, or failing to progress. I never heard any discussion of absolution. If you fail, you are punished or killed. That simple. There is some belief in elves, sprites, and other small beings in the druidic branch, who also see life in each of nature’s creations.
Q: Some researchers claim that various items that people are commonly exposed to in society are part of the means to weaken their enemies. Therefore, I wonder if the Illuminati allow their own leading members to be exposed to these, i.e. the following:
a. chlorine and fluoride in water and foods;
b. vaccines;
c. medical drugs;
d. junk food;
e. microwaved food;
f. dietary supplements;
g. biochips;
h. mercury fillings;
i. HAARP;
j. chemtrails?
A: In general, true leadership is protected from much of the above. They are ORDERED to not: drink, do drugs, or anything harmful to themselves. They don’t go as far as junk food or microwaved food, since they don’t worry about that, but at meetings, healthy food such as granola or trail mix are given out during exercises, and they know the importance of good nutrition.
They will NOT put their top leaders through the extensive use of mind control experimentation, or implants, etc. because of the risk involved. These children and adults ARE dissociative, but they go through a special program that is different than for the lower levels. They do get vaccines, since even if the child became ill, a healer could fix them. And they do take medications if needed, such as antibiotics, etc.
Do they claim to use vaccines or medical drugs for genocide? I had not heard that when I was in the group. Everyone I knew was vaccinated and took medications, although vitamins and good diet were also important.
Q: Some claim that Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Charismatics, Pagans, the New Age Movement, Satanists, etc. were founded by the same plotters. Are these groups, or at least their leaders, considered allies of the Illuminati by their members?
A: Some of these groups have affiliated themselves secretly with the Illuminati (because of the money and free training offered), others are sympathetic, or at the least, respectful of them. The Mormons affiliated years ago in a meeting with Illuminati leadership in the 1950s. The same with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. I have not heard that Charismatics or Pagans were affiliated, the pagans are considered “dabblers” by the Illuminati. The New Age and Satanists are sympathetic to them.
Q: Do they respect real science or history in favor of “faith” in their own beliefs?
A: No. They will respect science, but they will try to rewrite history in set ups and dramas for children (where they purport to show them “real history” behind the scenes). Also, they will do time travel through portals, but I cannot say how accurate what occurs is, since I believe it is facilitated demonically.
The Illuminati teach their children that powerful occultists who were enlightened have been secretly behind the thrones of Europe, and down the ages behind the kingdoms of this world, since time began. True or propaganda? I don’t know. They teach their children that underneath Stonehenge there is a great room filled with the skeletons of sacrifices. Fact or fiction? I don’t know, and cannot fund the archeological expedition it would take to verify this or not.
How accurate their teachings are, I do question, since they also leave out the role of faith in God, and His ability to hold back evil. I believe that ultimately, God has been in control of human history, not evil.
Q: I’m very concerned about the New World Order scheme and my questions are meant to help me find possible ways to proceed in helping to defeat the scheme.
A: I know I sound cynical, but good luck! I really do wish you the best in this. I believe that it would take a LOT of people joining together, with immense wealth and excellent lawyers, to stop them.
I personally do not have any experience with any groups dedicated to stopping them, since I live in a small rural community and have no contacts of this nature. I do wish any groups dedicated to stopping this horrific abuse of small children the very best, and will pray that they succeed. But this is also a spiritual battle, and anyone who takes on this type of occult evil would also need to be aware of spiritual warfare. The Illuminists certainly use it against others, and anyone stepping into this arena without prayer would be very vulnerable, in my opinion.
Q: Have you considered starting a 12 step group like AA for ritual abusers and cult victims? I know from personal experience that the spiritual 12 step program works.
A: I believe that there are already groups such as this out there. I know that there are AA groups for incest survivors, and many also have branched off into RA [Ritual Abuse] support as well. Since I live in a rural area (population 100 unless you count the squirrels and cows), I would not be close enough to lead any groups such as this. They are usually found near large metropolitan areas. In fact, I drive two hours once a month to therapy, since that is the closest to where I live.
Q: Were you allowed to read and listen to what you wanted while you were in the Illuminati, or was everything censored? If it wasn’t censored, it seems like members could notice that Illuminati teachings about betrayal being a human attribute are false. Right?
A: Wrong. I was never censored what I read, but you have to understand their mind set. As a small child, my parents told me that everyone was secretly a member of this group, and that the daytime was a “facade” or “pretense’ that all maintain.
They would take me to friends’ houses for dinner, and afterwards a ritual would occur, so I believed them. I grew up since infancy believing that this was just how the world operated for all: people act one way in the daytime, another at night. I knew that there was mention of love, caring, and trust in books, but believed it was a “daytime” quality, and that the people who wrote of these things were writing from their daytime personas.
There was a complete and utter division between day and night from my first days of life. To question something, you have to be able to step outside it, and I never had the maturity, or any reason to question the teachings, until I was much older. Think about it. All around were movies reinforcing what the cult taught, the Disney films, etc; I listened to heavy metal groups, whose values echoed what I was taught at night. In fact, outside of Christian literature, there is not much out there that would engender trust in other human beings.
Q: I was shocked to hear you say you were forced to shoot a friend of yours. Are many members forced to shoot or kill someone, or is this just for punishment training? Is it just outsiders who are killed? Are you able to discuss the shooting, or is this too hard to discuss?
A: The friend was not an outsider, she was part of the group, and considered expendable. In this group, people are one of two things: “useful” or “expendable”. Everyone works quite hard to be useful. It is not a common punishment, in fact rare, but my mother was an unusually driven and ambitious person.
She was a head trainer, and sat on the regional council over the Washington DC area in the spiritual seat (the other seats on the council were military, held by her boss at the Pentagon, where she worked, his cult name was “Ashtoth”, a goverment seat, leadership, scholarship, and sciences seats).
Usually, they bring in outsiders for rituals or killing, but this was an unusually harsh punishment to teach me an unforgettable lesson (it did: I never made a friend after that. I didn’t like those higher than me, and had no wish to make friends with those she considered “worthy” of a “leader” and other nonsense).
Very rarely, in military exercises, those who were weak or kept a unit behind consistently were shot to teach the others a lesson (I saw it happen once). This never happened to the children of leaders, only those from lower levels.
Q: You say you begged God for a better home every night, but became embittered against God for not providing it. Were you praying to a benevolent God or to the Illuminati god? If the former, then where did you get your idea of a benevolent God?
A: This is a great question. I was NOT praying to the Iluminati deities, because to me, they were cruel and sadistic and frightening. I was praying to my child’s concept of a good God, from my reading, watching of TV, and also the innate knowledge that all children have in their hearts that somewhere, up there, is a good God.
I also had a few experiences with angels, and being protected as a child during horrendous trauma, and this also formed my concept that good existed. They never actually tried to stop me from praying, since positive spirituality gives hope, and can help prevent suicide.
In fact, I was forbidden to read about or seek any knowledge about the occult in my day life, because otherwise too much would be given to the occult and the risk of suicide would have increased. They are believers in “balance’, even in this area.
Q: You said “Papa Brogan” [see previous article] was the only kind adult in your life growing up. Do you mean he showed you affection? In what way?
A: Dr. Timothy Brogan was a professor at George Washington University. He was a specialist in neuropsychology, and one of the top Illuminati trainers in the DC area. He was also close friends with Sidney Gottlieb (another of my mother’s “friends”).
Anyway, he could be very kind as well as cruel. He would hold me on his lap, call me his “little one”, and praised me highly when I did well. He taught me chess, and would read works of literature to me. He told me I was his “adopted daughter” and that he was proud of me. We would hold intellectual discussions until late at night, and he imparted his views of leadership and training to me. Not all Illuminati activity is cruel or inhumane; he could be caring and loving as well. I would play with his children, who were older than me, and he would patiently answer my questions about science, geography, and other topics. I bonded completely to him, which made the torture and sexual abuse especially painful and betraying.
Q: You say you had a core split, over 7,000 fragments and 16 internal systems. You mean you developed split personalities who weren’t aware of each other? If so, did any of these personalities seem to have a fairly nice life?
A: Yep, split personalities. Most of the people I knew in the Illuminati were fairly fragmented (in fact, I cannot think of anyone who was not dissociative to some degree). Even the local and regional leaders all come in for regular “programming tune ups” as Jonathan and I used to call them. The largest split was between the front and back; ie. daily life and night life. Most, but not all, of the night alters could communicate, or at least the controllers and the higher parts inside could (and relay information to those beneath them). And yes, many of my personalities had a wonderful life. I had 140 created to deal with daytime life, such as work, friends, and fun (who have coalesced).
Many of my back people had good experiences, such as the ones I described above with Dr. Brogan. Others were pampered and praised, told that I would be a leader in the coming “New Order” (of course, they tell everyone that….). I was to be a mediator between governmental figures in different nations because of my language abilities and people mediation skills. Many of my internal parts were quite proud of their abilities and accomplishments in the group, and grieved heavily when I left.
Q: Are the non-German Illuminists not Nazis, racist white supremacists, or genocidal maniacs? And, if the leadership in all countries is Illuminati, that must mean they’re of all races, which seems to mean the white supremacists oppose the non-white Illuminati. Is this right?
A: Not all Illuminist groups are as fanatically anti-racial as the German branch is, although many are. These people are racist in the extreme, but they are also very practical, and realize that world domination is not possible without the aid of non-white races. That is why loyal figures in these countries are being promised leadership positions for their area, under the supervision of Illuminist commanders.
They also view orientals differently than other non-white races, because of the long history of occult mysticism in many countries (such as Tibet, for example), the long history of culture, and the high intelligence. This is why the oriental branches are highly regarded, even in Europe. But they do believe that Europe will be the centre of world government and leadership.
Even in non-white countries, the top leadership is still white, or nearly so. For example, in South America, the top leaders are European in descent, with less of the mestizo mixing. In Africa, many of the leaders behind the scenes are whites, although there are local black leaders who have demonstrated extreme loyalty. They are using them, though, since these members will never be able to hold top leadership in the world. (Those positions are already taken).
All this said, I believe that the racist and hateful policies of the Illuminati are despicable in the extreme. One of my biggest quarrels with leadership was this position, among others. I hope this has answered some of your questions.
– Svali
Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:50 am
